| This seems more like a
EOS 25D. I would have expected more for a 30D designation. |
| I think Canon still
might have some surprises in store at PMA! The 35D as seen on Fotografi Norway might still
come out. - The eternal optimist. There's also been some talk of a 3D with eye control. |
| The bottom line is the
sensor and image quality are identical to the 350D and 20D which didn't seem like enough
of a jump in technology from the 6mp 300D for a hobbyist such as myself to justify the
expenditure. I'll wait for the next generation of APS DSLR cameras to upgrade and enjoy
what I've got in the meantime. |
| This introduction is a
big yawn. Albeit there are some product refinements, but in this age of technology staying
the same is almost like going backward. I cannot imagine Dell introducing a next
generation product with such minimal incremental improvements. Competitively Nikon has
made significant leaps in their products with the introduction of the D2X , essentially
two cameras in one, and the D200, which Phil Askey characterizes in his preview summary
as… “It would be fair to describe the D200 as a 'compact D2X', while some
features have been removed to preserve the D2X's uniqueness you would be hard pressed to
find a situation (other than high-speed crop continuous shooting) where the D200 couldn't
stand up to its bigger brother.” Until the next round of introductions… |
| I expect for 10MP or
more to upgrade from my EOS 20D. I will not buy the EOS 30D to upgrade. However, if the
noise of the 10MP 1.6FOV sensor is getting worse than in 8MP 1.6FOV, it is good that Canon
still use the noise performance as the most priority factor. I think that the Canon EOS
20D give me everythings I need for the digital camera. It's performance is very superb in
all point of views. I will used my EOS 20D for 1-2 years. However, I am still waiting for
the new digital EOS model which has 10MP or more ( with 1.6FOV for the lower price or if
the full frame sensor with the lower price than today) with the better noise performance
to upgrade form my EOS 20D. |
| Canon got the price
point just a little too high this time. At $1200 this would have been significantly more
attractive given the modest improvements. I'll buy the 20D and keep the difference. |
| If I were starting to
buy my equipment now, I would never go with canon because Nikon's D200 is a much better
body than any of the Canon's in the same price range. In fact it is better even than the
5D. |
| It might a good decision
considering standardization of models. If not for more pixels, I was expecting some
improvement in 30D and match with Nikon D200 in terms of features and performance. |
| 20D's picture qulity is
excellent. There was no reason to change the sensor to 10MP. |
| I still have the 10d
which is fine DSLR I did'nt upgrade to the 20d & 0pt to add more lenses, accessory
& lighting. I recently bought an used 1ds 11mp for $2500, from a photographer I assist
from time to time. Even though it's outdated I love it! I might buy the 30d in the future,
but what I have now suits me well, fine tuning my skills & the art of photography is
all I'm concerned with... Thanks |
| I don't think there is a
big difference in resolution between 10MP and 8MP sensor (I don't print larger than 8R and
the extra 2MP doesn't make any difference to me). I will value more interm of the upgrade
to spot metering and larger LCD |
| Owning a Rebel XT, I am
very excited to see the improvements on an already established camera like the 20D. What I
was expectign in this upgrade was really the new Auto focus added to the 5D. Maybe they
will add this in 12-18 months. We will see. |
| survey ignores FF
owners! |
| The issue of weather
seals (dust and water), as in the Nikon D200, is more important to me than the increase
from 8MP to 10MP. |
| full frame sensor is far
more important to me than pixel count. |
| Canon has missed the
opportunity to have a product that can compete with the Nikon D200. The 5D is just too
expensive. The 30D is not as good as. |
| It is very disappointing
that Canon did not upgrade the sensor. For me, I'll just continue using my 20D until a
suitable succesor is available - either a 12 megapixel Canon 40D or a less expensive 5D.
If Nikon could improve its high ISO noise, I may have switched. |
| It might be a signal
that the current technology is maturing |
| Obviously would have
been happier with bigger buffer, better AF, lower noice, and 12 Mpixels but this camera is
better than the 20D and that is what we were planning to buy before the 30D came out. We
have 4 canon lenses and are not tempted by the 200D, in fact after looking at the side by
side shots in the reviews like the 20D better. Also we aren't bothered by Nikon Envy which
seems to push many other's buttons. |
| The decision makes sense
to me from a marketing/R&D standpoint. They've left a hole for Nikon's D200, but most
of its advantages seem to be aimed at pros, and that's a relatively small market. Canon
seems to have painted itself into a corner: it would cannibalize sales to upgrade in any
way except top down. At the top, it could start by consolidating the 1D line into a
16-megapixel, full-frame, 8 fps, pro body. Then, it could put the same sensor into the 5D,
but with otherwise prosumer features. Then, upgrade the 30D to 12 megapixels or so. But to
do all of that, it seems Canon is waiting for a next-gen image processor and/or sensor
technology, rather than compromise on noise performance. At any rate, whenever Canon
releases a full-frame camera under $1500 (even if it's 8-megapixels) I'll probably buy it,
even if I've spent $1150 on an EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS by then. |
| I also have a 5D. I use
my 20D on my 500 4L for the "extra reach" that the 1.6X crop gives me. I use my
5D for most other applications. From what I have seen on DPR the 20D sensor is at least a
match for the Nikon D200 sensor. Resolution on the Canon is essentially as good with much
better high ISO performance. |
| I think the megapixel
race is starting to wind down in the DSLR space. |
| Seems more like a 20D N
than a new camera. |
| I'm a little
dissapointed that there are not that many upgrades over the 20d...the spot metering, 1/3
stop ISO setting abilities, in-camera adjustment abilities for JPGs, and 2.5" LCD are
great features but just not quite good enough to make me feel I need to purchase one. |
| rather get the 20d at
1140.00 at b+h instead it is a proven entity |
| Very surprised. Only
thing holding me back from going to the D200 is its high ISO performance..............even
then given the Canon UK pricing strategy (30D is £1099 vs D200 at £1249) I may still go
with the D200 |
| I was very surprised
Canon would bother with a new model name, and allow all the hype, without coming out with
something that blew people's minds and the Nikon D200 out of the water. Canon always
seemed willing to bide its time; why hurry into the 30D, which, let's face it, is really a
20D-N? If a 10MP camera with 5 or 6 fps had been made available for arounf $1500, I would
probably have bought it. My suspicion is that Canon is running into the walls of the
various "classes" of DSLR. The 1D MkII is unrivalled in many respects at around
$4000, but the 20D is not that far behind in terms of key specs. They have run out of room
to blow people away without undermining the 5D and the 1D MkII. But now, you can but an XT
with essentially the same image quality for half the price of the 30D; I don't think most
people are willing to pay $700 extra for spot metering and a larger buffer / monitor. I
love Canon, and I have no doubt the 30D is awesome - probably better than the Nikon D200
is many respects. Nevertheless, I think the 30D was a big mistake as a new model. They
should have just done a 20D-N and then, when the markets sort themselves out a bit, find
the right niche for the next truly mind-blowing DSLR. I think the future may actually
involve marked lowering of the pro models to around $2000 and the pro-sumer models to
$1000, with the intro models at $500. |
| I think the 30d
represents a sensible evolution of the xxd line - and shows the quality of the 20d
already. This camera is not aimed at existing 20d users - actually they are bottom of the
target groups (behind rebel owners, d30 and d60 and 10d owners, and cross=graders and
those new to DSLR). In fact I think Canon have been smart - anyone who needs to upgrade
their 20d now has a clear path - 5d. |
| In reality, 8 MP is more
than enough for most uses (up to A3-prints). *10 MP is really only needed for commercial
use (not so much because of the need for the many pixels, but due to clients not aware of
how to enlarge to bigger sizes with no/little visual loss of quality). |
| I think 20Dn would have
been a more better name. |
| It's clear to me that
increased pixel count would hurt sales of 5D. The 30D is already getting a lot of what
made the 5D seem remarkable (full size sensor aside). I have the 24-105 f4L so I'm waiting
and saving for the 5D to keep my wide angle. I think the sub frame market will lose ground
once full frame sensor becomes more affordable. I would caution any 30D user to only
purchase the 10-22 EFS lens, and buy EF lenses for all other focal lengths so they won't
be stuck on a future full frame upgrade. |
| I flip flop on a weekly
bassis regarding cameras. I am not a pro |
| I think Canon was wise
to keep the price down on the 30D. I originally was waiting for the 20D price drop but now
I will wait for the 30D to be released. |
| I may well purchase a 5D
to complement my 20D. I think Canon was perfectly reasonable not increasing the sensor
size as the difference is not really significant. |
| I'm shocked. I would
have thought Canon would have made sure they are the leader in Digital SLR cameras. It is
very apparent to me that Nikon is ahead of them at them moment in affordable digital SLR
bodies. Canon has let us down they have taken what apparently should have been a camera
called the 20Dn and have tired to fool us into thinking it was major upgrade by calling it
the 30D Tom |
| I guess Canon just
didn't have a low noise + higher pixel density sensor available for low cost mass
deliveries yet. Obviously it will come when it is cheap enough, since 16MP /1.6 crop = 10
MP. But to maintain 5 fps, they also need an updated processor, perhaps as Digic III. 30 D
= 5 fps x 8.2 MP 41 units, 5D = 3 fps x 12 MP = 36 units |
| I was expecting Canon to
respond to innovative Olympus... anti-dust, live-view... |
| For me, 1.6 sensor is
great because I do a lot of telephoto work, and I like being able to use lighter lenses.
The real question is -- Will one have to get a full-sized sensor to get higher levels of
resolution (pixel count) in the future? If so, then lots of people will eventually change
to full-sized sensors. For that reason, I prefer buying traditional lenses. However, I did
buy the 17-85 IS EF-S lens and have been very happy with it. It is my main lens. |
| Stop obssessing with
pixels! Give me autofocus at f/8 without having to spend $ 4000! |
| The only feature I want
from the 30D is the spot meter, but I'd like the D200 spot meter (2%) even more. |
| Canon 30D is good, but
it will be great with 10MP. Apparently Canon pictures are same sharp or near as sharp as
D200, but Nikon tougher wet/dust case is important to me. Right now I do not know if will
buy the 30D or the 200D. Will wait for more reviews (200D Vs 20D) no more than two months
to take a decision. |
| Same as upgrading from
EOS D60 to EOS 10D. Same sensor-size but better overall performance... |
| It seems like they are
leaving room for a higher level camera - similar to what Nikon did with the D70S. I would
guess that there is enough demand from professionals who work in the telephoto realm to
allow for a 1D style 1.6 crop camera. I would guess this will appear as the 1D Mk II
replacement and mark the end of the 1.3 crop format. Canon seems to be developing lens
lines that support two formats: FF and 1.6 crop. They want to keep this a bit ambiguous
since openly saying this would endorse Nikon's apparant decision to stick with the DX
format. In any case, to me at least, it seems clear that Canon plans to continue selling
DSLRs in 2 formats. This means that the commonly stated opinion, "I'll never buy an
EF-S lens because it won't work when I upgrade to full frame." is about as silly as
saying, "I'll never buy an EF lens because it won't work when I upgrade to medium
format digital." |
| I am a professional
photographer and use the 20D as a backup to the 1DsMk11. I would have liked to see more
pixels, but I will upgrade to the 30D. |
| I think it was a wise
choice. I believe 8MP sensor is enough for most users. Better usability, better lenses and
lower prices are what we need now. |
| Been talking to Canon
and they were well aware of the fact that this camera wouldn't come with much praise from
most people, just becuase of the high expectations. It's good for Canon or better good for
the competition, cause now they have some. Canon has always been ahead and now they will
have to work harder to get it right again and so we will see a better product. And i'm
sure (it's a photokina year) that Canon already have something in the pipeline that will
do good to their reputation. |
| The 8.2 handles my
demands at this time. In fact some of my orders require I reduce the resolution. I also
shoot the Kodak pro at 14mp and find the 20D shots are most often chosen. When printed the
Canon pictures win! (not to mention weight on a 12 mile trek!)Why jump when slow sure
changes keep you on top? Dave |
| I'm still waiting for an
affordable 1.3x or better sensor camera, as I hate the tiny veiw finders on the 1.6X
models. |
| Unfortunately, Canon may
not attract potential buyers out to spend $2000 or less, because of the Nikon D200. Too
bad, because otherwise Canon has held the edge in the digital market. If Nikon begins to
offer more products that will appeal to serious amatuers and pros, Canon may be in for a
loss of market share. |
| OK keeping the existing
sensor, but they could have worked on even better high-ISO performances (no claims about
it) to give a strong answer to D200. |
| I think all the comments
you see on the internet about Canon not upgrading to a big sensor or just
nit-picking...Just take good pictures with what you have and don't blame a vendor for not
going bigger and better... |
| It's like a new car
model year in it's second year. Just a few items adjusted to differentiate the new year.
Good features for someone just entering this market, but not for someone who has a year 1
model (20D) |
| I'm tempted to buy a 20D
instead of a 30D if it's going to save me several hundred dollars. I don't consider any of
the 30D's upgrades critical. |
| Disappointing to see a
20D sensor repackaged with 5D amenities. This represents a lack of effort in the
engineering department. |
| If I were in the market
for a new camera I would choose the 30D over the 20D because the larger screen with RGB
Histogram would worth extra couple of hundred bucks to me. All in all the 30D looks like a
great camera for the money. |
| I have the feeling that
a 35d is just around the corner - Christmas maybe. |
| Bob, I really enjoy
reading you comments on photo.net; I think you bring a sense of balance and intelligent
analysis to the "OMG teh 30D sux0rs becuz it is not 10x better than the d200!"
crowd. My personal pet theory is that it may be difficult to create a 10+ megapixel sensor
with current technology that permits for "prosumer" pricing and availability.
This would help explain the shortage of Nikon's D200, as well as its significantly higher
price (it's a third more than the 30D and you're unlikely to walk into a store and pick
one off the shelf, while I'm sure nobody will have to wait more than a week for a 30D). |
| I will upgrade from a
Rebel XT to 30D even though image quality will be the same because of some of the
following :- 1. Raw buffer will be better for continous shooting for aircraft photography.
2. Build quality and grip size became anoying on Rebel XT even with a battery grip. 3.
Viewfinder size is bigger on 30D than Rebel XT. Once the 30D arrives in the shops it will
be alot cheaper than the RRP prices being shown at the moment so it will very affordable
unlike Nikon D200 which I am glad that Canon did not try to compete against as it is much
too expensive despite being better for some people. With regard to the 8.2MP sensor I was
a bit suprised it did not go to 10MP but when looking at it logically the Canon 30D will
be the best DSLR for under £1000 here in England. The Canon 30D has everything I need in
a camera and look forward to getting one. |
| I think Canon didn't
originally expect the 20D would cut into sales of their pro cameras as much as it did.
Restricting the sensor to 8 MP has made a more clear line between the two, especially as
the pro models move forward. Maybe DIGIC III will be required to move the megapixels up on
the 1.6x format or there's a lower priced FF in the works for the fall... I would have
happly paid a premium for the 1.6x 12MP sensor in the 20D style body if noise was in line
with Canon's typical standards. Many wildlife photographers would jump on this too. I may
still look for a great deal on a used 1Ds while I wait. I don't need the speed or the high
ISO speeds usually. |
| Missing from 30D: 1.
Weather sealing, 2. Easy mirror lock-up 3. Expanded Hardware/Memory [Buffer] *11 RAW 4.
Reduced shutter noise 10.5 MP is not a big deal if they would have improved on the issues
above.... Thanks Bob. |
| I typically crop and
print large format prints. More pixels would simply give me more flexibility. |
| Excellen camera. Sensor
size ok for me. |
| I am disappointed that
there does not appear to be any improvement in high iso noise performance, nor is there a
higher iso choice (e.g. 6400). |
| for sport-fotography the
30 D also remains a "slow camera"'An upgraded faster 20D with more Af points? In
that case: expensive all wheather sealing not necessary for amateurs? 1,3 factor no
problem ; 1,6 factor for telelenses preferable? |
| Seems like Canon felt it
had to come out with a new camera just for PMA. Perhaps being a little more innovative and
waiting until the Fall would have been a better move. |
| When Canon announced
upgrade to 1DMll I assumed that they would upgrade 20D along similar lines which has
proved me to be correct. The comments in Q7 re Canon and full frame for most of their
DSLR's could make it more attractive for me to hold back on upgrading from 10D, which is
only 18 mths old, even though this will be some way done the track. Also all my lenses are
'L' series. |
| I have been waiting to
purchase my 1st digital slr and almost bought the 20d but thought I would wait for the 30d
thinking for sure it would have more megapixels. Now I am not sure and must compare it to
the Nikon d200. |
| So far there is no one
declared that 30D can produce better picture then 20D including Canon itself. For me,
That's tha main reason not to upgrade to 30D. |
| Franky, a very wise
decision on Canon's part. The vast majority of us don't really need more than 8
megapixels, and we're finally being given what we asked for: a better camera. The 20D
already has very good high ISO noise performance, and with a tool like Noise Ninja even
ISO3200 is usable. The drop in price and various vast improvements (yay, we don't need to
spend $3k anymore to get a Canon DSLR with a spot meter like the one in the $500 Nikon
D50!) are a welcome trade off against a new sensor. Furthermore Canon was very smart in
not competing directly with any of Nikon's DSLRs; all have very different features and
pricing within their various market segments. I can forsee a 6MP D3000 to compete with the
D50 in the entry-level market though... |
| I'm really waiting to
see the next iteration of the 5D. A higher frame rate, better battery performance, a
dedicated mirror lock up button (get rid of the direct print button - who would use that
anyway?), higher maximum sync speed (or let us dial down the ISO to compensate), RGB and
luminance histograms on the same playback screen, are all features that I would welcome.
If and when I do buy that camera I plan to also keep my 20D. This is a milestone camera
that's not going to be obsolete anytime soon |
| Recently upgraded to a
1Dmk2, my 20D is now a backup. I hope for a "1" series 1.6 crop camera with
better high ISO performance, say 3200 that looks as good as 1600 does now, and the option
to use 6400 that is as good as 3200 is now. I shoot lot's of sports in bad light. I was
surprised that there was no sensor improvement in the 30D. Anxiously awaiting the 1Dmk3!! |
| The Nikon D200 sounds
like a great camera (and a very good value), but with the features the current 20D/30D
offer--especially to new customers--the price difference ($300-$600 less) will probably be
the determining factor for most people. These cameras are basically "good
enough" for most purposes. I believe that Canon realizes this and believes their
sales will be higher with the current 30D than if they had released a camera with features
(and price) more closely resembling the D200. (Of course, they still might do this later
on this year). I wonder if Nikon may be under-selling (perhaps with a very low profit
margin) the D200 just to gain market share against Canon in the DSLR market? |
| I did not upgrade to the
20D because the on the two I tried on the two I tried the autofocus was not partucularly
accurate and one of them locked up in the shop, which was not that impressive. What I
really wanted from the new model was something at 20D prices or less with a few
refinements and more accurate autofocus. Is the 30D it? Well, maybe! |
| The EOS 30D is no reason
for me to upgrade from my 10D. Some missed features: -1,3 crop factor -about 10 to
12MP-mirror lockup like Nikon -a handle to block viewfinder -good incandescent WB So, I'm
not interested in an upgraded 20D but rather in a 1D MKIIN for the masses: -about 15 to 20
AF points -5 fps -shutter lifetime 100.000 exposures -$2000-$2500 (my suggestion: EOS 3D).
|
| There is not enough
difference in resolution between 6-8 MP or 8-10. Going from 6 to 10 could be tempting,
assuming both share exactly the same image quality (including noise performance that is
VERY important for me). Basically, I am waiting for at least 12MP (good HIGH ISO) to
upgrade, say to a cheaper 5D. |
| I find 8.2 MP is
sufficient for my use. The 1.6 crop factor is also a very good compromise for me : I hope
Canon will come out with a higher end body (3D for example) still with the 1.6 crop. |
| As well as at least
10MP, I would also have expected: - significant upgrade to the AF system - elimination of
PictBridge facility - improved mirror reliability - all other facilities to equal Nikon
200 |
| I will buy it as soon as
possible. It's a new great Canon DSLR camera for advanced amateurs |
| 8.2 MP is OK, just
awaiting full-frame 12 MP (or even 10!) full-frame for half the price it is now. I
consider higher dynamic range and low high ISO-noise and light weigh more important than
more pixels (for travel). In the mean time I'll try to wear out my Rebel XT ;-). |
| 8mp is fine already. I
don't print, so even my old 5mp pocket camera was almost good enough, resolution-wise
(it's nice to have a bit of cropping latitude, but that's about it). What is important to
me is good high-iso performance, good low-light AF system - and compact size, and a real
focusing screen. (oh, and I want a pony ^_^). |
| If only they'd put some
weather sealing on their mid range cameras! |
| If I were a 20D owner
hoping for a big leap I would be very dissapointed. I think there are several nice
features for 10D owners but not that much different then the jump from a 10D to a 20D.
Here's why I am upgrading: Quick startup, slightly more advanced AF, Battery grip that
takes AA batteries in a pinch, 5 FPS. The 30D doesnt offer much more than the 20D in this
regard. I will upgrade to a full frame when it reaches the $2000 mark. I will never buy
EF-s lenses because I still have a full frame camera and use (on occassion) , its a $195
EOS rebel G 35mm. |
| It's a great
disappointment. The Canon momemtum has dimished somewhat. I have also somehow lost some
confidence in Canon's decision making. |
| i think us Canon film
camera users are forgotten about somethimes. I was still holding out, but the 30d has
pushed me over the edge... can anybody say "spot meter"... with that said , I
would rather have lower noise and less pixels. I live in a part of the world where it is
always overcast and dark. I have not shot 400 speed film in months! I use nothing but
800,1600& 3200. |
| They offer a 20D updated
with 5D features. That means they reduce they're production cost (less items exclusive to
the 20D to produce) while they offer a better product. In japeneese it's called the Kaizen
method. |
| If the 5D had been out
before I got the 20D I would have gone for that, was waiting for FF afordable DSLR before
going digital. As it is the 20D and EF-S 10-22 solves most issues. Road map is to wait for
semi pro 16Mp FF derivative of 5D before any further camera purchase. In meantime building
lens collection etc. |
| I think it was a good
decision for Canon and for it's customers. It seems that the upgrade race slows down - and
thats a good sign. |
| I am not interested in a
cropped sensor. |
| If I did not already
have EOS fit lenses… I would seriously consider the Nikon D200. Camera reviews in the
UK have pitted this against Canon’s 5D. The Nikon wins in every way (from better
build to better exposure accuracy) except for the senor size. On “end result photo
quality” the Canon full frame just wins, but only just. The point is though that the
D200 is about £800 cheaper, and is in the 30D price spectrum. Canon needs to up its game
or it is going to hold it’s own against the Nikon. The 30D needed to be more. For my
type of photography… It is just the 20D with a software change. Will Canon go the way
of Minolta? |
| Despite 30D is a very
good choice for "digital newcomer", it is NOT FULLY COMPETITIVE with e.g. Nikon
D200. I'm planning to go for "sensor atabilised" Sony-Minolta 7Di coming this
summer if they will not kill Minolta's ergonomics and provide acceptable
responsiveness/shooting pace. |
| I believe Canon only
make 'true value' camera for 'real' photographers only in their 1 series body, no matter
DSLR of film SLR. Other than that, Canon is out to make a quick buck as a corporate
company offering consumer products, just like Sony, Samsung & etc. Perhaps they need
to look deeply at how Nikon is making and building their camera for their customers,
especially the build quality, features needed by photographers (and not sales &
marketing executives), well thought of ergonomics, wide angle lens quality, flash system
and many more that Canon must look into. If Canon is still 'playing around and taking
consumers for a ride, boasting about their FF and high ISO quality (the only thing they
can still be proud of but not for long) and claiming they are the market leader today,
then I feel really sorry for them and all the Canon users today, including myself. Nikon,
I'm ever closer to you now than ever........... |
| I think Canon made a
mistake this time round especially with the release of the D200. Moreover, this is a
camera that is likely to command very good sales and profit margins. These added features
in the 30D are present even in the much cheaper Nikon D70S. While MP isn't everything and
I do not mind 8.2MP, they could have done better eg improved AF, lower noise, and adding
1-2MP more does not hurt for a camera that is likely to sell very well |
| My rebel XT takes photos
close enough in quality to the 20D. I have waited for the new 30D to come out and am
someways dissapointed.I have several Canon lense so I will have to stick with the Canon
model. After waiting this long I will just wait until something better comes along. I like
my Canon,but think Nikon is one up on Canon with the D200. |
| I'm really looking for a
better AF system, similar to the 1D series or even the EOS 3 film camera. The 9 AF points
are too widely spaced for me to use anything but the center point for sports. My old A2
with 5 AF points was more useful in changing points for sports like football. |
| By moving up to 10.2 new
consumer may have opt for the 30d and spend the few extra huncred. But why do that now
when for the most part the cameras are not that far apart. |
| 8.2 megapixels is MORE
then enough for me, for my family and for all my prints on even A3. I have friends who
print - okay not razor sharp - but gorgiously beautiful pics with a 3MP camera. |
| Many of your questions
are about upgrading, implying getting rid of an earlier version camera for the 30D. My
situation, as a photo studio owner and photograher is that I don't get rid of a good
quality camera that I can still use effectively for my work. The results satisfy me and my
clients. The 30D will be another purchase, but not an upgrade. When I decide to spend the
money, the question will be do I want to spend $300-$400 more for the changes in the 20D
that "created" the 30D. The 30D seems to address some photographers' issues with
the 20D,(including mine) and yes, I like those changes. Since I buy my "tools"
based on business decisions rather than pure emotion, the $1500 mark is important to me.
As time goes on, and higher quality cameras approach my price points, I will consider the
purchases. I think I am more prone, right now, to more useful "glass." If the
17-85 EFS IS is a very good, sharp lens, I would rather purchase that. (My most functional
lens with film was the 28-135.) |
| 8.2mp is O.K. to me but
my favitor len is 24mm- 70mm which is not wide enough for me if I use 30d and therefore if
I buy another len 17mm-55mm, the cost I add it up will be very cloase to 5d and I will
waste my 24mm- 70mm len. |
| If these upgrades
parallal the Mark11N and I suspect they do ( just look at the 11N discription literature)I
know I will be pleased. Also I have a friend who has the Mark and he is very happy that
upgrade from the Mark 11. Seem that they did something good to the noise reduction and
resolution. |
| It looks like a useful
evolution of the 20D. I just hope the green viewfinder data display is brighter than the
20D. |
| Let's face Canon dropped
the ball and it will not be the lst time a camera company does this, but do it to many
times and your history. I guess for APS-C camera sensors, 8, 10, 12 MP doesn't make to
much difference in the end image, but maybe this means has Canon hit some sort of
technology barrier with regards to MP density and noise? Maybe this is why they are
keeping their foot in the door making full frame digital cameras. When Nikon and others
abandon their FF lens line up and hit the megapixel ceiling for the APS-C sensor they will
be in a distant second place to Canon's FF camera technology. I guess this also might also
apply to the medium format cameras as well, by providing 20, 30, 40 MP backs, as in the
case of Hasselblad. What maybe seeing here is a evolution or shift, where in the end the
size of the recording media will once again define and separate the high end professional
gear from the mass market application, by shear cost of the hardware. There is one thing
for sure, what ever we buy it will be outdated within 3 to 5 years and near worthless in
twenty. And no matter how much we gripe about one thing or another about a camera's
shortcomings, it will still come down to the photographer and not so much his camera gear
that will produce great images (but in who's eyes are those images considered great?).
Let's face it for a majority of us we still produce the same old crap, and no camera on
this planet, now or 5 years from now will change that fact. Until we see and address that
shortcoming in ourselves we will fall prey to marketing ad and forever chase after the
golden camera at the end of the technology rainbow. |
| An old sensor in a new
camera is a joke and not the customer wish. |
| I hope Canon fills up
the void between the 30D and the 5D sometime soon. Maybe a "full-frame" 10 to 12
MP model at a more "affordable" price range. |
| 1. A 1.3 factor would be
nice. But then again you cannot use the efs len here. 2. A upgrade on the sensor would
also be nice and it does not necessary to be increment in megapixel. On the other hand,
the present sensor has done a bloody good job. |
| pixel counts does
matter_ 2mp is big deal to me canon screw up. i think they playing with customer... save
some money by not put more pixel on the censor.. make better profit to each camera....
they lost their royalty !!!!!! |
| It's hard to say I would
or would not upgrade (20D owner). With the same sensor I will not upgrade - but had it
been larger (10.5mp) then I would have thought about it more - I really wanted the spot
meter and some of the other improvements. Whats your thoughts on the camera makers buying
/ partnering with software companies? Nikon with Nik / Kodak with Noise Ninja... Where is
Canon in all this and what happened to Open RAW? |
| Just to consididate my
answers above in a slightly more readable form. As a current XT owner, the 30D seems to
have a nice bump in features. My current plans are to get another XT or 2 upgraded bodies
if I decide to take more paying gigs. If Canon had gone up in MPs, it would of made the
decision a slam dunk. But the 30D would of had to keep the low noise characteristics. In
terms of the EF-S lenses, I'd only consider them if they are able to do something that I
can't find an EF lens to do. Case in point the new 17-55 2.8 IS lens. The 16-35 has no IS
and if the EF-S has comparable image quality, I would choose the EF-S lens. |
| I have a 20D - the next
level up for me would have been, at the very minimum: 12 megapixels, plus better high ISO
noise performance. 10 MP is simply not enough in terms of added resolution. |
| I'd like to see a new
firmware release for the 20D with some of the new 30D features, like multichannel
histograms and ISO display in the viewfinder. Kodak is much better than Canon in terms of
adding functionality to existing models. |
| I dont mind the 8.2mp,
but I expected a weather sealed body like the Nikon D200 - or in the lines of eos 3. |
| I will keep my 20D
indefinitely. I will probably purchase a full-frame DSLR in 1-3 years. |
| I was expecting
something different. More pixels, well someting better than Nikon D200. I sold all my
Nikon equipment and I switched to Canon a year ago. I am thinking in buying D200 and a
couple of lenses |
| the megapixels are NOT a
big deal. Nor is the amount of sensors...9 is good enough. But Canon should introduce more
essential upgrades that fit the semi-pro profile of the target group. I want some degree
of weather sealing. Heck, i DEMAND weather sealing for that price. I also want Iso to
ALWAYS to show up in the viewfinder. The auto white balance gives pathetic results a lot
of times, i have seen better in other cameras. Something has to be done about the dust
particle problem. The shutter must be A LOT more silent. No lame "direct print"
button, that's for digicams. At least make this button FULLY programmable by the user. And
more... |
| Canon is smart/strong
company and 30D is right way. Simple: for non 20D owner, for film owner; which camera
could compete (30D) in both price and quality? Why do I (Canon) have to put more effort
(to add more pixels) while current one (30D) already has good competition. |
| I must say I find it
bizarre that so many people seem concerned about investing in EF-S lenses on the basis
that they may effectively become superseded in future, but these are the same people
whinging when their (even more expensive) DSLR has not been superseded within 2 years. |
| Do not fight the MP war!
Well Done! |
| Canon seems to have
settled on 4 lines for DSLR products: 1) FF pro -- 1D (assuming 1Dn will change to FF in
the future) 2) FF high end consumer -- 5D 3) 1.6 crop mid range -- 30D 3) 1.6 crop entry
level -- 350D They want a gap between mid range 30D and 5D so they couldn't move the 30D
up in pixels. So when the 5D line moves up in pixels (16?) then the 20D/30D line will move
up also. This probably requires the 1D line to move to 20+ first. They need to keep clear
lines between products (or at least their marketing team thinks that -- it's what my Si
marketing team believes even when it isn't true). I like the 30D. It is better than the
20D. It's not the amazing jump the 5D was though, it's just an incremental change. I'm
looking at either a 30D or a 350D in late summer or fall as a second body for birds. It's
cheaper to buy a 1.6 crop body than a 500F4, so that's what I'm doing this year. |
| I hope it was done
because of technical dificulties not because of a bean counter's decision. |
| A good decision if a few
more pixels means more noise today - compact cameras have already gone too far with small
sensors |
| I shoot a lot of
landscapes and, although I realize it takes a major increase in pixel count to greatly
impact resolution, I was hoping that a "tweak" up to 10/11 MP might help just
enough. As a film shooter, I've never been able to get a handle on whether an 8mp camera
will be able to equal film at my largest print size of 12"x18". At times I feel
35mm film doesn't quite cut it either for landscape shots! Noise at high ISO is not an
issue for me at all since I shoot film now (in an EOS-5) at 100. I also was hoping Canon
would address the somewhat dim viewfinder - I'm getting "long-in-the-tooth" and
need all th brightness I can get. Having said all of that - a 5D at slightly above $2000
would greatly temp me. Unlike many others, I suspect I will buy only one DSLR - given my
finances and age. So I need to get the most bang for my buck. At this moment, I would
seriously consider the Nikon D200 even though I have several Canon lenses. |
| I am unsure why so many
people are unhappy. The difference in terms of resolution between 8 megapixels and 10
megapixels is really quite small. |
| Canon just passed the
leadership off to Nikon. I am delirously happy with my Rebel XT that I consider an equal
to the 20D for the features I need especially image quality. I have five lens for this
camera some of who I bought from the money I have saved by not buying the 20D. The
70-200mm/ L Canon lens is almost a difraction limited small telescope. I tested it by
taking images near Polaris and the edge sharpness is within 40% of that at dead center
even wide open! |
| All things considered,
this is just a small incremental improvement. The 3.5 deg spot meter and the larger LCD
are nice, but not enough to make me consider a new camera. |
| I am fine with 8.2MP
sensor but I am disapointed with lack of new fetures like new low nois sensore (could be
8.2MP), WiFi connection, etc. |
| 8-10 Megapixels sensor
is enough for me (for my print sizes) , but i would like a FF sensor for my wide
"L" lenses (speciallly for EF 17-40). Also, better noise ratio and dinamic range
will be very useful |
| I'm saving my money to
buy a 5D or its replacement and better glass, mainly "L" lenses. I wasn't
planning on upgrading to the 30D because I was planning to migrate to a full-frame DSLR,
mainly the 5D or better. |
| Would like at least one
custom shooting mode as on the 5d . Would also like canon to include focus distance in the
exif data for 3rd party software like DxO. |
| I always wanted the 20D
but had difficulty justifying the additional cost over the 350D when it first came out. 1
year on and I now have a range of decent EF & EFS lenses fron the 10-22 up to the
400-5.6 prime, the upgrade to the 30D makes good sense. Thanks for a great site and I
await your review to ratify my planned upgrade? Jim, London,England |
| Being a bird
photographer, I don't want to make shots without the 1.6x factor of the APS-C chips of the
D10/20, etc line. I never really used higher ISO setting as 400, only very rare the ISO
800. The image is very noise by iso800. I really hoped for a 10+ Mpixel 30D. The
improvements of the 30D against the 20D (or my 10d) aren't a value about 800 EUR to me (by
selling the 10D for 600 EUR). I didn't think, that Canon will not fight the Nikon D200
with a 10+ Mpixel new DSLR. |
| I am totally happy with
the 20D and the 30D doesn't offer enough upgrades to warrant leaving my 20D. The quality
of the photos is the most important to me, and the 20D is hard to beat. Someday if I could
afford to buy a second body, it would probably be the 30D. |
| I don't see the 30d as
an upgrade option for 20d owners, it's more for people who don't own a 20d. I'm sure Canon
will bring out more cameras with the extra MP at a later date. 8MP is more than big enough
for normal work |
| I'm OK with 8MP. never
been a pixel peeper and it doesn't count to me. really. 30D looks perfectly OK to me and I
plan to get one in a year or so |
| I believe that righteous
20D owners have no use for the 30D and the only logical choice for an upgrade is the full
frame 5d..... |
| The 20D -* 30D is not a
real 'upgrade', its an 'up-polish' of the 20D. Image quality is definately not upgraded,
it stays the same. |
| The jump from 2 - 5
megapixels was really noticeable. From 5 - 8 you have to look quite hard to see the
difference in normal size prints. I don't crop much - a 300mm zoom is entirely adequate
for my needs usually and I'd rather have fewer pixels than noise (or worse, aggressive in
camera attempts to remove it!) |
| The 20D is good enough
for me (at this time)My brother and I live on the Big Island of Hawaii and shoot
landscap,hot lava,surfriders (surfboard & buggy board),flowers.We also do a lot of
shoots for the National Park. All of this is done for free becouse of a out of control
hobby. We have a 10D two 20D and will add a 30D. Brother thinks it is worth it I am not
sure. We look to your expert advice (reports) befor we buy big ticket items so you are
running 50%. We mainley shoot large jpeg so a higher pixel is not all of what makes a good
camera for us. Keep up the good work. Thanks for your time Ron & Dave in Hawaii. |
